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Deepjay · May 15, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Sorry I dont have a link handy to the actual rewards(but im looking!) But i was curious, to those who have already completed the final Factions mission, which weapon or shield did you think was the best of those available?

The sword seemed a little excessive with 15 req swordmanship, making it basically a choice between the axe, or the str shield, though I have an aqua shield with exactly the same stats as this green shield, so i guess getting it would only be for appearance reasons.

Not being all that experienced with GW item history - how are the sword & axe comparable to other existing, and i guess fairly obtainable weapons?

Fluffyx · May 15, 2006, 11:49 PM // 23:49

The best thing they offer is for sure the Aegis, the other items have unique skins (pretty much all the contest winner skins are here). Lots are vampiric or zealous, which many people dont like. So I'd say unless you're a big fan of one of the skins take the aegis, it looks very nice too :O

sh4ft3d · May 16, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Shiro's sword. I usually go with atleast 15 weapons anyways.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · May 16, 2006, 03:44 AM // 03:44

lol you can craft the aegis in kaineng, i think it is the one you mean by the pretty skin, and the shiro sword, same thing as a victo blade but horrible requirement for swordmanship, and has an elegant oriental skin, rather go with victo blade, better requirment, the axe is alright but i dont like axes and its only 3 life stealing when the hammer has 5 , and if you look at it closely, it has a lil metalic guy holding a jade shard on his should, which is cool, you can see the chains move when you swing it, the most useful weapon it seems would be the ceremonial daggers, to me, i think zealous would be valuable to an assassin, since all the attacks are mainly energy and you could spam attacks more often then normal with more energy in your pocket

Savio · May 16, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Fluffyx

Lots are vampiric or zealous, which many people dont like.

Vampiric and zealous are among the best prefixes you can have on warrior weapons. The shield is okay, but Victo's Bulwark/the equivalent Factions green are better. Popular opinion does not make a good weapon.

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Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor

the axe is alright but i dont like axes and its only 3 life stealing when the hammer has 5

That's how it's always been. Swords and axes are 3, hammer is 5.

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the most useful weapon it seems would be the ceremonial daggers, to me, i think zealous would be valuable to an assassin

Which has nothing to do with warriors.

As far as the warrior equipment goes, it's all fairly standard. Get what you think looks best, or else just sell it. The axe or hammer would be nice since there isn't a readily available greens of those types of weapons with both vampiric and fortitude.

kvndoom · May 16, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

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Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor

lol you can craft the aegis in kaineng, i think it is the one you mean by the pretty skin, and the shiro sword, same thing as a victo blade but horrible requirement for swordmanship, and has an elegant oriental skin, rather go with victo blade, better requirment, the axe is alright but i dont like axes and its only 3 life stealing when the hammer has 5 , and if you look at it closely, it has a lil metalic guy holding a jade shard on his should, which is cool, you can see the chains move when you swing it, the most useful weapon it seems would be the ceremonial daggers, to me, i think zealous would be valuable to an assassin, since all the attacks are mainly energy and you could spam attacks more often then normal with more energy in your pocket

15 is only a high weapon requirement in PVE. If you PVP/GVG, 15 is the bare minimum you should be running on your primary weapon anyway. You go into a GVG match with 9 in Swordsmanship and your enemies will just laugh at you, because all you can do is tickle them. You'll never stand a prayer of a chance of out-damaging a competent Monk's healing with 9 weapon points.

Zealous is the best the best mod a warrior can have, when attacking it gives energy considerably faster than normal regen. You just have to know when to strategically switch weapons.

pbspectre · May 16, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by Savio

The shield is okay, but Victo's Bulwark/the equivalent Factions green are better.

ya know, i keep hearing this, and i'm not sure why...i think it's more preference than anything...is there really that big a difference between -2/stance and -5/20% ?

pegasux · May 16, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41

yes there is a huge difference. just crunch the numbers. -5(20%) meaning on avg you have -5 dmg every 5th hit you take. so that equates to -1 dmg average overall. while the -2 stance is always -2 if you are in a stance.

BTW Xaero...most items can be crafted. the point of the greens at the end is for the skin itself. If people were after just function over form we would all have the sword at Senji's Corner 15^50, or the cleaver with the same 15^50. And like savio said vamp and zealous are by far the best mods for weps. 20/20 sundering still does less damage then a vamp over time. vamp also gives you the heal bonus which is invaluable when tanking or farming. zealous will give you almost unlimited energy if you use it in conjunction with other skills.

pbspectre · May 16, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by pegasux

yes there is a huge difference. just crunch the numbers. -5(20%) meaning on avg you have -5 dmg every 5th hit you take. so that equates to -1 dmg average overall. while the -2 stance is always -2 if you are in a stance.

stances can be ended, thus negating your -2...the -1 average on the -5/20 is always there...can't be stripped, ended, or shattered...imho, that makes it the better mod...

sh4ft3d · May 16, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Skin on shiro's sword is much cooler than any other skin (imo) cause celestial swords look good, but i'm not willing to pay the price for a comparable one.

kvndoom · May 16, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by pbspectre

stances can be ended, thus negating your -2...the -1 average on the -5/20 is always there...can't be stripped, ended, or shattered...imho, that makes it the better mod...

There are only 2 skills that end a stance, and neither are used much or at all outside of PVE mobs.

pbspectre · May 16, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

There are only 2 skills that end a stance, and neither are used much or at all outside of PVE mobs.

i play PvE exclusively, thus -5/20 is the better mod, imo...i'm not into the "better for PvP = better for everything" argument...

Savio · May 16, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

I should clarify kvndoom's statement: only a select few mobs use stance breakers. I can think of very few times where I ever had to worry about a Wild Blow coming my way.

sh4ft3d · May 17, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Mursaat being one of those mobs.

Sientir · May 17, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Oddly, charr also carry wild blow.

Anyway, for warrior, I like my Desert Collector's Stance shield, thanks. I just like the look of the Crimson Carapace. Personally, I'm going to get both the hammer and the axe, since I want vamp of both. (got zealous for each weapon type already. >.>) I prefer Victo's Blade over Shiro's anyway, in both look and req.

Anyway, the spellcasters get a lot of the same style. There is only one style of wand and only one style of offhand, which is ironically, a little straw man.

And yes, the Ceremonial Daggers are very nice on my Assassin.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · May 17, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by Savio

Which has nothing to do with warriors.

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Originally Posted by Fluffyx

Lots are vampiric or zealous, which many people dont like.

i just heard zealous mentioned in the quote above, and wanted to clarify it was only the daggers and the other weapons because none of the warrior weapons are zealous they are vampiric

Sagaris · May 17, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Question, is there a +30 -2 while enchanted shield?

Fluffyx · May 17, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Sagaris

Question, is there a +30 -2 while enchanted shield?

Are you talking about an unconditional +30 with the enchanted having -2?
Or are you talking about a +30 -2 while enchanted? Because it would be possible to get one but max is +45 while enchanted.

pbspectre · May 17, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Sagaris

Question, is there a +30 -2 while enchanted shield?

i know at least one of the Factions green shields is +30 always, -2 enchanted...check the list on GuildWiki...

Suuk · May 22, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by pbspectre

i play PvE exclusively, thus -5/20 is the better mod, imo...i'm not into the "better for PvP = better for everything" argument...

Related to the post above explaining the -2 while in stance versus the -1 always combined with the fact that there are almost no stance breaking mobs in PVE you still decide to go -5/20?

And who is using a "better for PvP = better for everything" argument...?